the terrorist endorsement

The usual suspects are crowing that the Terrorists endorse Obama. It turns out that Ahmed Yousef, one of the top political leaders within Hamas, said the following:

During an interview on WABC radio Sunday, top Hamas political adviser Ahmed Yousef said the terrorist group supports Obama's foreign policy vision. "We don't mind-actually we like Mr. Obama. We hope he will (win) the election and I do believe he is like John Kennedy, great man with great principle, and he has a vision to change America to make it in a position to lead the world community but not with domination and arrogance," Yousef said in response to a question about the group's willingness to meet with either of the Democratic presidential candidates.

Stepping away from the braying of those who will use this as an excuse for their usual smearing of liberals in general and Obama in particular (sort of v2.0 of the muslim smear), it's actually very interesting that Ahmed Yousef said that. He's an interesting character. He hails from the political wing of Hamas, and is rather saavy about using American political vehicles to advance his agenda. For example he wrote this oped in the Washington Post last summer. In it, he writes,

Palestinians want, on their terms, the same thing Western societies want: self-determination, modernity, access to markets and their own economic power, and freedom for civil society to evolve. Those who warn of "failed states" and "Hamastan" as a breeding ground for terrorism forget where blame for failure belongs -- at the feet of the American administration, which has chosen to isolate, rather than deal with, the elected government.

Someone has been paying attention to the political rhetoric out of Washington! Obviously, Yousef is not going to get pinned down about inconvenient facts like how Hamas targets schoolchildren on school buses, or expound eloquently on the right of Israelis to seek the same self-determination and freedom that he desires for his people. Its what is missing that we should recoil from, but as far as what he puts on the page, its a good starting point for a debate. Of course, debates legitimize the participants. As I said, highly saavy indeed.

The real take home message here is simply that we shouldn't, as a matter of civic duty, give two chits what certain people say about our politics. The Hamas endorsement is designed to serve only one party: Hamas. We can choose our own president without their "help", thank you very much. File this sort of thing in the trash where it belongs.

After all, Al Qaeda endorsed Bush in 2004.



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by azizhp on Fri Apr 18, 2008 at 07:46:46 AM EST

I think that GOP 'imperial' foreign policy (none / 0)

years has gotten us SO many enemies, that words cannot describe the misery that has come out of it.

Terrorism is the last resort of people who have been shut out of normal political processes. Its interesting that those on the right who are responsible for these mass marginalizations, both abroad and here often think of the possibility of responses long before those who are marginalized do. I have no doubt that the Pentagon and whoever is responsible for domestic 'stability' have done simulations in which, say, the prices of oil, housing, food and healthcare continue to rise as they have been and millions are evicted or forced out of the cities into the soon-to-be-abandoned fringe areas (where gas is too expensive to allow most people to live there) - in other words, extreme civil unrest scenarios. Thats probably why Bush has done a lot of the things he has done (like force the telephone companies to massively rebuild their phone networks to support something like 1% or 10% of the phones in America being monitored AT ONE TIME.)

Obviously, they are thinking ahead!

So, what it comes down to is a choice.. do we take the path of war, which is the path of ever increasing marginalizations of large groups which is the path of division, with each group being told, until its own judgement day that it is 'inside' the big group until its too late.. Or do we accept the fact that we are ALL in this together and try to work towards a world WITHOUT POVERTY AND HATRED.

Not pay lip service to that ideal, I mean REALLY DO IT.

(The future WILL be a time of incredible ABUNDANCE and each human life will be PRECIOUS, demographics and the rate of scientific change show us so.)

One path leads towards the stars.. the other leads towards hell.


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by architek on Fri Apr 18, 2008 at 08:09:02 AM EST
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Re: the terrorist endorsement (2.00 / 1)

I am not big on Hamas but they do have a point regarding the democracy.

As a country we need to respect democracies that we don't like.

For example on paper Iran is a democracy.  If we targeted our critism of Iran to the guardian council we would resonate within the country far better than we do.

Likewise China is a democracy within the top level of the party.  If we focused our criticism on inability for people to join the communist party how would they defend that?  It would resonate within China.

Following their own rules China and Iran would become countries we could live with very quickly.

Palestianians if they hold on to democracy will become a country we can work with within a lifetime imo.


by DTaylor on Fri Apr 18, 2008 at 08:00:08 AM EST

do not fall for it (none / 0)

The reason Yousef has a point is ecause he is tailoring his oped for the american political discourse. read between the lines.

If we on the left fall for it by saying hey he sounds reasonable, we are just as gullible as those on the right who say hey Obama terror endorsee etc.

If hamas really believed in democracy, it would do two things. 1, expunge the reference to israels destrction from its charter, and 2. stop firing rockets at civilians.


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by azizhp on Fri Apr 18, 2008 at 08:13:02 AM EST
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Re: do not fall for it (2.00 / 1)

See I disagree.

I believe that a country has an election selects leaders, those leaders attack a different country and the attacked country gains the right to rain hellfire on the democracy that started the war.

If the masses vote for war then they deserve what they get.

This would straighten countries out.

I think Hamas is an evil group but even within them there are less evil elements.

Over time I believe these less evil elements would win if democracy was practiced inside Hamas.


by DTaylor on Fri Apr 18, 2008 at 08:16:44 AM EST
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We have to stop letting the corporate lobby rule (none / 0)

foreign and domestic policy.

And we need a fair way of measuring what is right and what is wrong for america instead of 'right good left bad' which is basically the corporatist view of the world. Our present foreign (and domestic!) policy is very much a continuation of the 'imperialism' or expansionism of the 19th and 20th centuries..

Using that yadstick, we might have avoided blindly supporting the corrupt Nationalists in China after SunYat Sen died and thereby avoided the bloodshed and scorched earth policies that sent millions of Chinese into the arms of the increasingly radicalized and Communists. We would have avoided our overthrowing nascent democracies in Iran, Korea and Latin America and probably at least tens more in favor of 'our friendly strongmen'...

The world would be vastly different and we would not have the level of alienation we do now.


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by architek on Fri Apr 18, 2008 at 08:24:54 AM EST
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Many people who later turned to Communism started (none / 0)

out believing in the US democratic vision, but when they realized that it was largely in word only, they turned to the Communists for help.

Now, that the remaining Communists governments are not expansionist like Stalin and the USSR was, they have nowhere to turn.

The right in the US seems to think that that means they have 'won' and that now, since there is a surplus of labor and the poor have no alternatives, its time for massive salary and benefits cuts and a repeal of the New Deal programs like Social Security (which was enacted as food riots racked the country in 1934)

Are they right?


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by architek on Fri Apr 18, 2008 at 08:30:45 AM EST
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Hamas is legitimate to the people (none / 0)

of Palestine. You can't completely ignore them.


My candidate lost fair and square. So did yours. Get over it and let's kick McSame's ass!
by RLMcCauley on Fri Apr 18, 2008 at 08:14:23 AM EST

Oh quit it (none / 0)

with the "Terra! Terra! Terra!"

We've had enough of that for at least a century, and it's only 2008.


by joanneleon on Fri Apr 18, 2008 at 11:05:14 AM EST


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